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Every one now knows how Sacred is our Blind nationalism and so called Patriotism based on Intense Muslim hate and Hate Pakistan campaign! All the wars and Civil Wars as well as the recent on going War Against Terror COVER UP Higher DEFENCE Budget, ZUNK Unnecessary Arms to FEED Swiss bank Accounts and the ELECTION Fund of the Ruling Hegemony!

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Excellent is the story from Indian TOILET that HILLARY and OBAMA fall apart on India affairs! How FUNNY!


Claiming that differences have emerged between US President Barack Obama and Secretary of State on foreign policy issues, an American magazine today suggested that Hillary Clinton's trip to India and Thailand has been her way to distance herself from the White House.

"The trip to India and Thailand, in one sense, is Clinton's way of literally and figuratively distancing herself from Obama, her way of letting us know she has better policies for dealing with Beijing," wrote Forbes columnists Gordon G Chang.

Author of the book "The Coming Collapse of China", Gordon said that during her recent visit to India, Clinton devoted most of her time to relationship-building events.

"Clinton's concept of siding with another large democracy seems much more attractive-and sustainable," he wrote, adding most important, the US and India share values.


Meanwhile, The Gujarat High Court order's dismissing a petition challenging the probe by Special Investigation Team (SIT) into the alleged role of

Chief Minister Narendra Modi and 62 others in the post-Godhra riot case has been welcomed by Zakia Jaffrey, widow of former MP Ehsan Jaffrey.

The former MP was killed along with 38 others belonging to the minority community in the Gulbarg Society massacre in Ahmedabad. She said the SIT should speed up the investigation against Modi, his Cabinet colleagues and senior officials involved in the conspiracy that allowed the mobs to target the members of the minority community and kill them.
Talking to TOI here on Friday, Zakia said, "Since the HC has rejected the petition, I want the SIT to speed up the investigation. I had appeared before the SIT and now I want them (Modi and 62 others) to appear before it at the earliest."

She had filed a 100-page complaint against Modi and 62 others, including his Cabinet colleagues alleging that that they as part of a conspiracy had ordered their subordinates not to perform their duty when the mobs arrived to kill her husband and others during the post-Godhra violence in 2002. She said 39 members of the minority community were killed, including Ehsan Jaffrey, in the attack on Gulbarg Society.

The petition by former BJP MLA Kalu Malivad one of the 62 was just an attempt to prolong the SIT investigation, Jaffrey said while watching the television at her residence at Alvi Row House on Causeway Road.

"The SIT is carrying out the investigation directly under the Supreme Court's supervision. I have named all the 63 people including Modi in my complaint."

Zakia's elder son, Tanveer Jaffrey, said, "We are elated over the dismissal of the petition by the high court which would now allow the SIT to question the 63 persons including Modi in connection with the case."


Rejecting criticism that India "capitulated" to Pakistan, the government has said an assurance by Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani to go after the masterminds of Mumbai terror attacks seriously prompted the issuance of the Indo-Pak joint statement.

External Affairs Minister S M Krishna said India wanted to give the Pakistani government a "chance to prove or disprove" that they are in control of the machinary.

"Pakistan's Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani had assured our prime minister that they were very serious in going after those responsible for Mumbai 26/11. This assurance prompted the issuance of the joint statement," Mr. Krishna told "India Today" in an interview.

Justifying the joint statement issued after Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's meeting Mr. Gilani at Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt, Mr. Krishna said India agreed to delink the composite dialogue from action against terror as the country can never afford to take a "position where we refuse to talk to a nation."

"We have not capitulated. India is too big and mature a country for these situations. So, we will have to continue to talk to Pakistan. There is no alternative. We have to keep them engaged so that we know what they are planning and what they are up to," he said.

"We wanted to give Pakistan a chance to prove or disprove that they are in control of the machinery in Pakistan. Here is an opportunity for Pakistan to prove they are in total control, that they are going after the terrorists," Mr. Krishna said.

Asked what prompted the change of heart as the Prime Minister had told Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari recently that his mandate for talks was limited to how Pakistan handled terror, Krishna said Islamabad took "certain steps" in the intervening period.

"Certain steps have been initiated by Pakistan in terms of follow-up action they propose to take. They have arrested five people responsible for the Mumbai attacks and have filed charge sheets against them and their trial is to start soon in Pakistan," he said.

"We also received a dossier from them which we are studying. Now there is Mohammed Ajmal Kasab's confession. So we are going stage by stage. Let's wait and watch on how things unfold," Mr. Krishna added.

On inclusion of Balochistan in the joint statement, he said India's "conscience is clear and as a nation we don't do anything nefarious and that's why if you want to mention Balochistan, do it by all means".

"It is an open book as far as India is concerned as we have nothing to hide," he said.

Mr. Krishna said Pakistan has been asked to show the "same kind of commitment" to fighting militants targeting India as they have done in fighting terror in the Swat region.

Noting that India continues to impress upon Pakistan the need to fight terror, Krishna said the government is still sticking to its stand that the composite dialogue can wait till the terror-related issues are settled.

"As reiterated by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in Parliament, we stick to our stand that the composite dialogue can wait till the terror-related issues are settled," he said.

India, he said, had announced suspension of the composite dialogue after Mumbai terror attacks till Pakistan brings to justice perpetrators of the attacks and that remains the position even today.

On US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's visit to India, Mr. Krishna said "her pronouncements have all been very positive towards India".

"In our bilateral talks, she sounded positive, sounded decisive at times. So we feel that we can continue to depend on the Obama administration," he said.

"And the fact that Manmohan Singh has been bestowed the honour of being the first visiting statesman to the White House in November is further indication that contrary to the whispers we hear, we are on the right note with the US."

Asked whether the US approach towards India may change following the recent G8 proposal to restrict sales of nuclear reprocessing technology to non-signatories of NPT, Krishna said Clinton made it clear that the Obama administration is "very serious" about the civilian nuclear pact and will continue to make headway according to the agreement.

He disagreed that there has been drift in India's foreign policy towards Pakistan, the US or other countries.




Neelesh Misra, Hindustan Times
July 24, 2009

Two US FBI officers to depose in 26/11 cases

Indo-Asian News Service
Mumbai, July 24, 2009

A Special Court conducting the 26/11 Mumbai terrors attacks case on Friday allowed summons to be issued to two US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) officials and three US nationals to depose in the trial.

Special Judge ML Tahilyani gave his ruling on an application by Special Public Prosecutor Ujjwal Nikam seeking the court's permission to summon the FBI officials who had assisted the Mumbai Police in the terror attacks probe.

Nikam had argued that the evidence of the FBI officials could reveal the conspiracy behind the attacks and prove crucial in nailing Mohammed Ajmal Amir alias Kasab, the lone surviving terrorist who along with nine accomplices had created mayhem in Mumbai.

He informed the Special Court that he would submit the names of the FBI officials next week and other details of when they would come to depose.

Tahilyani also ruled that in view of their security, the names and addresses of the FBI officials would not be disclosed.

It may be recalled that the FBI team, which included some technical experts, had collaborated closely with the Mumbai Police in investigating the terror attacks case and had also interrogated Kasab early this year.

The decision to summon the FBI officials came a day after Tahilyani accepted on record Kasab's confession of Monday and also ruled that the trial would continue as usual.



'Obama, Hillary differ in courting India'

Washington (IANS): Suggesting a foreign policy rift between President Barack Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, a Forbes columnist says her trip to India "is Clinton's way of literally and figuratively distancing herself from Mr. Obama".

"She left the U.S. amid reports of intense infighting with a White House intent on marginalising her role," said Gordon G. Chang, a columnist of the U.S. business magazine.

"Real policymaking power, some say, is now exercised by a small West Wing group cantered on Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel.

"While she has been publicly denying the rumours, the Secretary of State has been on the attack, tarring President Obama through intermediaries," wrote Mr. Chang, the author of The Coming Collapse of China, in his column titled "Clinton Chooses India".

"One of her State Department aides has argued in off-the-record conversations that Obama has been making a series of foreign policy blunders, among them letting the Chinese do whatever they want and giving them more than they ask for," he suggested.

"The trip to India and Thailand, in one sense, is Clinton's way of literally and figuratively distancing herself from Obama, her way of letting us know she has better policies for dealing with Beijing," Mr. Chang suggested.

In search of a better China policy, "the White House saw the need to hedge against China, it looked to Russia," he says suggesting that's what the president's trip to Moscow this month was all about.

"Clinton's concept of siding with another large democracy seems much more attractive - and sustainable. Most important, the U.S. and India share values," Mr. Chang said.

"Moreover, Washington and New Delhi have common geopolitical interests in that both are threatened - albeit in different ways - by an assertive Beijing. There are, however, areas of disagreement between the U.S. and India.

"Finally, there is India's twin, the troubled nation of Pakistan," Mr. Chang said.

"The U.S. cannot afford to make Islamabad an adversary just to please New Delhi, but the U.S. needs to rebalance its unsuccessful Pakistani policies in any event and that rebalancing will inevitably please India.

"In short, there is no issue that prevents Americans and Indians from joining together in a durable partnership," the author concluded.

Also read: The bottom line behind India-U.S. 3.0

Pakistan displaced returns resume

Pakistani children peer out of a bus as they wait to begin the journey to Swat
Thousands of families have now left the relief camps

The return of people displaced by fighting in the Swat valley has resumed, officials say.

On Thursday, military authorities suspended the return of the displaced for "logistical reasons". No vehicles were allowed into the district.

More than 350,000 people have returned to their homes after the army said it had cleared the area of militants.

Two million people were displaced as the army took on Taliban insurgents based in the Swat valley.

It was said to be one of the biggest human migrations in recent times - and the government has been sending back many of the refugees housed in the relief camps set up across the North West Frontier Province (NWFP).

Thousands of others who were not housed in camps but who had been staying with relatives in alternative accommodation also began returning of their own volition.

On Friday the first batch of families was reported to have left their homes from camps in Mardan.

Although the army had announced that the Malakand division, which includes Swat valley, was largely free of militants there have been isolated outbreaks of violence.

Pakistan's army says it has now shifted its focus to the Taliban hideouts in the tribal district of South Waziristan, which is where Pakistani Taliban commander Baitullah Mehsud has his headquarters.

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The Army's Special Forces to fight terror will be in place here by this month-end with a six-fold increase in its strength to nearly 600 personnel, Union Home Minister P Chidambaram said today.


"The Special Forces will be strengthened in two phases. In the first phase, approximately 250 persons of all ranks and in the second phase another 250 persons will reach Bengaluru," Chidambaram told reporters here. The concept of Special Forces was mooted after the 26/11 terror attacks in Mumbai. 

Chidambaram said by the end of this month "we will have approximately 600 persons of all ranks of Special Forces Batallion at Bengaluru".


The Home Minister was on a day's visit to the Army's Special Forces Unit, set-up in the city, having 100 personnel from all ranks, who can be deployed at a very short notice. The Home Minister, during his address to the conference of Chief Ministers of Internal Security in January this year, had said that in addition to setting up NSG hubs in four metros, trained anti-terror force units will be set up by the defence forces.


As per the plan, Bangalore is being covered by the Army and the Special Forces are stationed with Territorial Army Batallion in Benson town but eventually they would be moved to a new location in Hebbai.



Government sources have told TIMES NOW that the Pakistan needs to do more to tackle terrorism. Sources also claim that all materials given by Pakistan to India have been examined and there is nothing about Balochistan. It also claims that India has no interest in Balochistan. Earlier, a section of Pakistani media had reported that a dossier on India's alleged involvement in unrest in Balochistan and terrorist attacks was handed over to Singh during his meeting with Gilani. Indian officials have said no such dossier or information was handed over during the meeting.

Foreign Office spokesman Abdul Basit said the matter had been adequately covered by the Joint Statement issued after the meeting between Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani and his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh on the sidelines of the NAM summit in Egypt on July 16. "All I can say is that whatever was discussed and handed over is contained in the Joint Statement," Basit told a weekly news briefing, responding to a question on whether Pakistan had handed over a dossier on India's alleged involvement in unrest in Balochistan to Singh.

The issue involved intelligence matters and Pakistan does not discuss such issues in public as a matter of policy, he said. The spokesman evaded several pointed questions on the matter, saying only that Pakistan's position was amply reflected by the Joint Statement. Asked about a reference in the Joint Statement to the two countries sharing real-time credible and actionable information on future terrorist threats, Basit said mechanisms for this were already in place and both sides need to "invoke" the mechanisms. "The specific details are being worked out and it would not be proper for me to divulge the details," he added.


Meanwhile,
In a damning indictment, a top US General has said the ISI is fomenting "chaotic activity" in Kashmir and Afghanistan and asked the Pakistani spy agency to change its "strategic thrust". The US is having "discussions" with the Pakistani leadership on this issue, Admiral Mike Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said.

Elaborating, he said the ISI has been supporting militant groups in Kashmir and the Federally Administered Tribal Area (FATA) bordering Afghanistan. "I believe that in the long run the ISI has to change its strategic thrust which has been to foment chaotic activity you know in its border countries," Mullen, who has travelled to Islamabad for nearly a dozen times in the past one year, said.

"That has been a Pakistan view to its own survival and its own security. And I think in the long run that's got to change," he said in a interview to Qatar-based Al-Jazeera TV. "What I mean is that they have clearly focussed on support of ... historically of militant organisations both east (India) and west (Afghanistan). I mean that's been a focus of theirs in Kashmir historically as well as in FATA. And I think ... that fundamentally has to change," he said.

His remarks came when he was asked to explain what he meant by saying that the ISI had a strategic thrust to foment chaos in neighbouring countries. Describing ISI's close links with the Taliban as "another extraordinarily complex" relationship, Mullen said: "And it's one that I've spoken very publicly about."

At the same time, he said ISI has also provided "some very positive intelligence" in the past. "...the ISI has also served ... some very positive intelligence needs both in the country and certainly between our two countries," he said. "So, I think it's something we keep discussing, keep looking at. In the long run, it's about the security for Pakistan and better security in the region for both those countries."

Mullen also said that the US was having discussions with the Pakistani leadership on how to change ISI's focus. "There are discussions which have been ongoing in respect to that and the leadership recognises that and there is a big challenge dealing with that based on what their history is and what they need to do for the future," he said.



India on Thursday (July 23) asked Pakistan to demonstrate the same "force" to deal with terror groups like Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed like it has done against the Taliban in Swat Valley. External Affairs Minister S M Krishna said India also expected Pakistan to take action against LeT founder Hafiz Saeed, whose outfit has been blamed for the Mumbai terror attacks of November 26 last year.

"Pakistan has taken certain steps in fighting Taliban in Swat. We expect Pakistan to go after those terrorist groups the activities of which are directed against India with the same force as they have shown against the Taliban in Swat," he told reporters while returning from Phuket in Thailand after attending India-ASEAN and ASEAN Regional Forum ministerial meetings.

When asked whether he was referring to outfits like LeT and JeM, he replied in the affirmative and said "all those groups who are operating from Pakistani soil and targeting India." Asked whether there was any clarity on Pakistan challenging the release of Saeed in the country's Supreme Court, Krishna said Islamabad has said it has gone for an appeal as been reported in media. "But we will have to wait and find out," he said.

In what clearly looks like a distancing act, MoS for external affairs Shashi Tharoor on Thursday downplayed the significance of the

controversial India-Pakistan joint statement and said it was a "diplomatic paper" and not a legally binding commitment.

The remarks have been interpreted as an indication that the composite dialogue — delinked by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh from terrorism at his meeting with his Pakistani counterpart Yousuf Gilani at Sharm el-Sheikh — is not likely to be resumed any time soon. It does appear that the government will make all efforts to "reiterate" the view that Pakistan must deliver on terrorism.

Tharoor sought to defuse the controversy by arguing that what mattered was not "the perception of words on paper" but the conduct of Islamabad in preventing future acts of terror. "It (the joint statement) is a diplomatic paper that is released to the press different from legal papers," he maintained. His words only seemed to reflect a wider unease in Congress that India had given away too much.
Tharoor claimed that Manmohan Singh had made his stance on talks in the joint statement "very clear". "We have said India cannot go for a composite dialogue with Pakistan, until and unless we have we have absolute assurances and we have seen credible action from Pakistan," the MoS said. While the bid to shield the PM is expected, it was Singh himself who told Parliament last week that dialogue had indeed been de-bracketed from Pakistan acting on terror.

What Tharoor did not say but which is worrying the Congress and several senior ministers is that the formulation can permit Pakistan to argue in the wake of a terrorist attack on India that its agencies were not involved and that such an incident should not disrupt the engagement between the two countries. The minister added "it is not the language of the statement alone that writes policy."



Replying to a question on Saeed, Krishna emphasised that Pakistan should take action against the head of any terrorist organisation which targets India. He refused to comment on the assertion by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that Pakistan had, in the recent months, shown commitment to go after terrorists. "That is something which is the US perception," the External Affairs Minister said.

Krishna also refused to react to a Pakistani media report that claimed that Islamabad had proof about involvement of RAW in the attack on Sri Lankan cricket team in Lahore on March 3. "Government does not react to press reports and media speculation. If there is anything that comes through the government side, then the government will react," he said. He also did not comment on media reports that ISI had asked India to talk to it also as it was one of the bodies that give their inputs on framing of policies on India. "It is the internal matter of Pakistan as to whom they consult (on framing of policies)," he said.

On the controversy surrounding the Indo-Pak Joint Statement issued in Sharm El-Sheikh after the meeting between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and his Pakistani counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani, Krishna said the Prime Minister has already made a statement in Parliament spelling out India's position and there was nothing to add.

Earlier, addressing the ARF meeting in Phuket, Krishna, without naming Pakistan, highlighted the problem of terrorism emanating from India's neighbourhood against the backdrop of the Mumbai attacks. He strongly pitched for developing a "coordinated", "effective" and "focussed" response among the Asian nations to defeat the menace.

Terrorists are becoming sophisticated and developing networks threatening the world, Krishna said, addressing the meeting which was also attended by Pakistan Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi. Krishna later said Qureshi, during the conference, condemned terrorism and claimed that Pakistan has been a victim of terrorism. Qureshi said Pakistan was ready to join hands with others to fight the specter of terror, Krishna added.

"It's all very well for the people to say that somehow India's interest compromised by few words on a piece of paper that is not a legal document," said Tharoor. While speaking of reports in Pakistani media Gilani had handed a dossier containing "proof" of India's involvement in "subversive activities" in Pakistan to Singh, Tharoor said he was unaware about it.

"I have not seen the dossier myself. If there is the dossier, then I am sure that the competent colleagues in my ministry are looking at it and when they have studied it, we will have a suitable response."

On the "preposterous charges" made in the Pakistani media report — quoting official sources to suggest that India had a hand on the attack on Sri Lankan cricketers and a police academy on the outskirts of Lahore — Tharoor delivered a sharp rap: "We don't believe that (putting) responsibility for things that are happening in a dysfunctional state to their neighbours, who have conducted themselves very differently, is a very healthy practice."

According to the minister, India did not "conduct our relations with neighbour as a zero sum game". He said, "We want to see a stable, prosperous Pakistan. We have no interest on anyway in destabilising Pakistan. Destabilising neighbours has been somebody else's policy, not ours." The clearly combative note could indicate that the government is scrambling to recover the ground it lost in Egypt.

Tharoor's colleague in the foreign ministry Preneet Kaur also spoke on the issue and defended the reference to Balochistan in the joint statement. "It was only mentioned that Pakistan Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani voiced some concern that the PM said that he had no problem in addressing, since we had everything in an open book. And we certainly have not been doing anything (there)," she told reporters


On the other hand,Ahead of a meeting of its top leadership to discuss the escalating controversy about the India-Pakistan joint statement signed in

Egypt, the Congress said on Friday that the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) was trying to extract political mileage from the issue.

Congress president Sonia Gandhi has convened a meeting of the party's core committee Friday evening to discuss the issue. It is scheduled to be attended by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee, Home Minister P. Chidambaram and Gandhi's political secretary Ahmed Patel, among others.

Refuting the BJP's allegation that the inclusion of Balochistan in the joint statement amounted to conceding that India was responsible for problems in the province, Congress spokesperson Shakeel Ahmed said: "This is completely wrong, in fact we want a peaceful neighbourhood. BJP is trying to take political mileage by opposing the joint statement and making such allegations."

Ahmed added that a final view on the statement would be explained by the official government spokesperson.

The joint statement was signed after Manmohan Singh met Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani in Sharm-el-Sheikh last week.

"Prime Minister Gilani mentioned that Pakistan has some information on threat in Balochistan and other areas," the document states.

It was the first time that Balochistan has been referred to in any joint declaration by the two countries.

BJP spokesperson Ravi Shankar Prasad had said on Thursday that the inclusion of Balochistan would enable Pakistan to hold India responsible for problems in the province.

"By one stroke you have given some kind of culpable legitimacy to the government of Pakistan to allege in the international forum that India foments problems in Balochistan," Prasad said.

Prasad also said the joint statement would have a long term impact on India's prestige in the international community.


Kargil made India discuss Kashmir with Pak: Musharraf

Terming Kargil as a "big success", former Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf has said India agreed to discuss Kashmir only because of

that war in 1999.

"Yes, indeed, it was a big success because it had (an) impact even on the attitudes of the Indian side. How did we start discussing the Kashmir dispute? How was it that the Indians agreed that we will discuss Kashmir and there must be a negotiated settlement? Before this there was no such thing at all," Musharraf said in a TV interview.

Making a strong defence of the controversial Kargil Operation, he said before that "Kashmir couldn't be spoken. Kashmir must not be mentioned even in United Nation's speeches by our leaders. This was the Indian side. (So) how did the Indians come on the negotiating table on Kashmir?"

On asked whether he would repeat the Kargil Operation, knowing that it ended up raising question marks about him personally, Musharraf replied: "I don't want to comment".

He also accepted that forces from the Pakistani Army's Rawalpindi Corps and Force Command Northern Areas were involved in the Kargil Operation - contradictory to the country's earlier claim that Kargil was conducted by alleged freedom fighters and the army was not involved.

As written in his book "In the Line of Fire", he said, they were "second line forces" but accepted they were commanded by the army's Rawalpindi Corps and FCNA.

"What I have written is final. I am not going to get into the details at all," Musharraf said.

Claiming the Kargil Operation ended with Pakistani forces in a "very favourable" position, he said "Because if you are talking about India-Pakistan, Indians had moved all their forces against Kargil and there was (as a result) weakness elsewhere.

"So we knew what the Indian forces are capable (of) and what we are capable (of)...the situation was very favourable in Kargil, in Kashmir and on the entire border. We were capable of responding to any Indian action," he said.

Asked why he left the decision to Nawaz Sharif and didn't argue against a ceasefire, he said, "One, there was a ground military position, the other is that there was a lot happening internationally. Internationally there was the United States element putting a lot of pressure on the government to stop or whatever.

"And then there was the (domestic) political pressure. Whether the political situation was good enough to sustain that pressure. I, therefore, decided to only talk of the military (situation)," he said.

The former president said even though his decision to dismiss the Chief Justice was absolutely constitutional and legal, the handling of the situation was "shabby".

"I don't blame myself because I don't get into the nitty gritty of which Deputy Superintendent of Police was rude to him, some cars were taken (away) or something of that sort. Now I am not passing such orders at all," Musharraf said.

Questioned about reports that he had a secret understanding with the late PPP leader Benazir Bhutto which facilitated her return to Pakistan in October, 2007, he admitted for the first time that there was "an understanding".

He claimed that if Benazir had lived to be prime minister he would still be president of Pakistan today. "There was an understanding. I did talk to her, yes. I had been talking to her twice. She was not supposed to come back before the elections," he said.

Commenting on the political situation in Pakistan, Musharraf agreed that it has become a more complicated country today. "Yes it has. A lot of complications (are there) - political, economic and law and order," he said, adding the Asif Ali Zardari government was much weaker.

Musharraf also agreed with US President Barack Obama's comment that Zardari's government was fragile and unable to deliver services effectively to the people.

"At the moment yes. That is correct. That is happening," he said.

Sharif's PML-N threatens to lodge case against Mush
24 Jul 2009, 1839 hrs IST
Close on the heels of being slapped with summons by the Supreme Court over his actions during emergency, Pakistan's former military ruler Pervez Musharraf faced more troubles as opposition PML-N threatened to lodge a fresh case against him for alleged high treason. Adding to the woes of the beleaguered former President, his arch-foe Lord Nazir Ahmad of the UK also announced that he would move a London court against Musharraf, currently in Britain on a lecture tour, for alleged "war crimes"

PML-N Chairman, Senator Raja Zafar ul Haq, said that his party has begun consultations with legal experts to invoke Article 6 of the Constitution to bar "free movements" of Musharraf, also former army chief. The Article 6 stipulates that any person who abrogates or attempts or conspire to subvert the Constitution by use of force or show of force or by other unconstitutional means shall be guilty of high treason. It also underlines that Parliament shall by law provide for the punishment of persons found guilty of high treason.

"A formal case will be lodged against the ex-President (Musharraf) thus consultations with our legal experts are underway to come to a conclusion," Haq told Online news agency in an interview. The PML-N is headed by ex-Premier Nawaz Sharif, who was toppled by Musharraf in a bloodless army coup in October 1999. Haq said Sharif is a national leader and there was no justification to oust him from Parliament and the country's politics. Haq also termed as a "national loss" the slaying of Balochistan's prominent leader Nawab Akbar Bugti -- who was hunted down and killed in his cave hideout by Pakistani army in a crackdown ordered by Musharraf.

On the recent meeting Sharif and his brother, Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz, had with President Asif Ali Zardari, he said it will prove to be a milestone in the days to come. Without elaborating, he said Zardari promised to do a lot of things during the meeting held in a cordial and friendly manner amid presence of other party leaders. Haq said PML-N and Zardari's PPP renewed their commitment to the principles laid down in the Charter of Democracy, signed by the two parties in the past, to democratise the Constitution and rid it of all undemocratic clauses including the 17th amendment giving overriding powers to President to dissolve Parliament and dismiss Prime Minister.

Meanwhile, Lord Nazir Ahmed of Rotherham has stepped up his campaign against Musharraf, saying that "war crime charges" would be brought against him, 'The News' reported. Pakistan occupied Kashmir born Lord Ahmed said he was approached by "a number of families" who suffered due to Musharraf's policies during his nearly nine-year rule. "These affected families from FATA, Balochistan, Waziristan and Lal Masjid and other parts of Pakistan feel war crimes have been committed against them." Earlier on Wednesday, Pakistan's Supreme Court issued a notice to Musharraf to explain and defend his actions of imposing emergency on November 3, 2007 and sacking of over 60 judges.
http://www.timesnow.tv/Sharifs-PML-N-threatens-to-lodge-case-against-Mush/articleshow/4323029.cms

Jindal popular than Obama in Louisiana: poll
24 Jul 2009, 1841 hrs IST
Indian-American Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal is more popular than US President Barack Obama in his state and majority of the people there like the charismatic Republican to continue in the post rather than running for the White House in 2012, according to a new poll. Fifty-five per cent of the state's voters approve of the job Jindal is doing, 11 points higher than the grade they give for Obama.

A state-wide survey by Public Policy Polling revealed Jindal continued to be popular in Louisiana even as his numbers are far below the approval ratings he enjoyed after his first year in office. As many as 55 per cent of Louisiana voters approve of Jindal's job performance, ranking him third for popularity among 17 Governors the Public Policy Polling has looked at across the country so far this year. On the other hand, Obama gets overall negative ratings in Louisiana. Obama had lost Louisiana by 20 points last November.

According to the poll, 44 per cent of voters approve of his work so far, while 50 per cent disapprove. When it comes to potential 2012 Presidential candidacy, voters gave mixed messages about Jindal, the poll results showed, according to which 61 percent say he should not run, while only 27 percent say he should. Jindal is the rising star of the Republican Party and is widely believed to run for the 2012 Presidential elections, though he has dismissed such reports.
http://www.timesnow.tv/Jindal-popular-than-Obama-in-Louisiana-poll/articleshow/4323030.cms
Charges against Gates dropped
24 Jul 2009, 1403 hrs IST, AGENCIES
The white police sergeant accused of racial profiling after he arrested renowned black scholar Henry Louis Gates in his home was hand-picked by a black police commissioner to teach recruits about avoiding racial profiling.

Friends and fellow officers - black and white - say Sergeant James Crowley is a principled police officer and family man who is being unfairly described as racist. Gates accused the 11-year department veteran of being an unyielding, race-baiting authoritarian after Crowley arrested and charged him with disorderly conduct last week.

Crowley confronted Gates in his home after a woman passing by summoned police about a possible burglary.

Gates was trying to open the front door of his house which had got stuck. The sergeant said he arrested Gates after he repeatedly accused him of racism and made derogatory remarks about his mother, allegations the professor challenges.

Gates has labelled Crowley a "rogue cop," demanded an apology, and said he may sue the police department.

Cambridge Police Commissioner Robert Haas, in his first public comments on the arrest, said on Thursday (July 16) that Crowley was a decorated officer who had followed procedure.

Obama: Police acted "stupidly"
24 Jul 2009, 1353 hrs IST, AGENCIES
President Barack Obama criticized Massachusetts police after arresting a prominent black Harvard University professor at his own home -- weighing in on an escalating debate over the treatment of minorities by police. Answering the last question of his prime-time news conference -- President Barack Obama criticized Massachusetts police after arresting a prominent black Harvard University professor at his own home -- weighing in on an escalating debate over the treatment of minorities by police.

US President Barack Obama said, "I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that. But I think it's fair to say number one, any of us would be pretty angry. Number two, the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof they were in there own home."

Last Thursday (July 16), returning home from a week's travel, Henry Louis Gates -- a renowned expert on race whom Obama described as a friend -- couldn't get his front door open and pushed his way into his own home. A woman in the neighborhood thought it was a burglary and called police.

Confronting Gates inside his home, police claim he exhibited quote "loud and tumultuous behavior" -- including accusing police of racism. Gates was detained for alleged disorderly conduct -- a charge that was quickly dropped.

Iraq PM hints at longer US role

Iraqi PM Nouri Maliki lays a wreath at Arlington Cemetary Virginia
Mr Maliki paid tribute to fallen US soldiers

Iraqi PM Nouri Maliki has hinted that US forces could stay in Iraq beyond the current deadline of 2011.

In a speech at a Washington think tank, he reiterated that the troop presence is due to end on 31 December 2011, under a bilateral agreement.

"Nevertheless, if the Iraqi forces required further training and further support, we shall examine this then at that time," he said.

US troops pulled out of Iraqi cities and towns at the end of June.

The move was seen as a major step in the transfer of security control to government forces in Iraq, which has been plagued by sectarian strife since the 2003 US-led invasion.

Mr Maliki was speaking at the US Institute of Peace, during a four-day visit to the country.

On Wednesday, the Iraqi leader met US President Barack Obama, who said the US would stick to the withdrawal deadline.

Mr Obama, who pledged during his election campaign to pull US troops out of Iraq, warned there would be violence ahead, but said it would ultimately fail.

Later on Thursday, Mr Maliki later laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at the Arlington National Cemetery, in honour of the US soldiers who have died in Iraq.

He observed a minute's silence during a military ceremony at the site.

Sectarian divisions

There has been a marked drop in violence in Iraq in recent months, though attacks increased in June in the run-up to the American pull-back.

A man sweeps up damage from a bomb in Baghdad (22 July 2009)
There are still regular bombings and attacks in Iraq

Iraqi troops now take the lead security role in Iraq's urban areas, and analysts say the latest attacks are a sign that insurgents remain intent on destabilising the country.

Mr Maliki said on Wednesday that Iraq's armed forces were now "highly capable" and were already successfully policing towns and cities.

Mr Maliki faces a general election in Iraq in January in which he is staking his reputation on being the man who oversaw the transfer of military control from US to Iraqi hands.

But the BBC's Gabriel Gatehouse in Baghdad says that, behind the optimistic talk about withdrawal, reduced violence and the increased capabilities of Iraqi security forces, lie two facts - there are still around 130,000 American troops inside Iraq, and fatal attacks remain an everyday occurrence.

The question remains how to extract American forces from Iraq by the end of 2011 without the security situation getting any worse, our correspondent says.

Iraq's Shia, Sunni Arab and Kurdish groups are divided on a number of issues, including how to share Iraq's oil wealth, the authority of the central government, and political power-sharing.

None of this will be easy to resolve, our correspondent says, with the various parties jostling for position ahead of elections in January.


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he bottom line behind India-U.S. 3.0 Siddharth Varadarajan
In between lobbying for American arms sales and nuclear reactor parks, Hillary Clinton spent barely two hours out of five days in official discussion with her Indian hosts.

On July 8, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton described India as an "emerging" global power. Ten days later she dropped the adjective, India's entry on the world stage coinciding with her own moment of arrival on Indian shores. Ms Clinton was well advised. There is nothing the Indian elite likes more than having its great power ambitions stoked in this manner. But along with great flattery comes greater responsibility. And having declared India wort hy of global power status, American commentators have been breathlessly asking whether the country is "ready" to step up to the plate and play ball. "India wants to be seen as a major world power," a New York Times editorial noted condescendingly. "For that to happen, it will have to drop its pretensions to nonalignment and stake out strong and constructive positions."

The purpose behind Ms Clinton's visit was twofold. First, to build new structures of engagement that might bring Indian thinking on major global issues like climate change, trade and disarmament in line with the "strong and constructive positions" the U.S. takes and away from the alternative consensus India is trying to build at different forums like BRIC, IBSA, G-20, G-77 and NAM. This she did by proposing a strategic dialogue consisting of "five pillars," ranging from non-proliferation and climate change to trade, investment and agriculture. The second purpose was transactional: how to translate the strategic partnership with India into commercial gains for American businesses.

On both counts, Ms Clinton's five-day visit was an unqualified triumph. The new strategic dialogue architecture was unveiled, and a strong foundation laid for nuclear and military sales. Both sides pretended to exchange views on burning international issues. But with barely an hour set aside for her official meeting with External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna, it is obvious that Ms Clinton was not particularly interested in hearing what her Indian hosts had to say on Iran and other subjects. Especially since she had already heard the one thing most important to her — end use.

Setting aside the publicly and privately expressed reservations of its armed forces, the United Progressive Alliance government agreed to an end use monitoring (EUM) agreement providing for the physical verification of defence items purchased from the U.S. None of India's major defence suppliers imposes such a condition, though of course it may welcome the opportunity to do so in the future now that the country has shown a willingness to open its doors. India also gave in to the U.S. request to identify the two nuclear parks where American-supplied reactors will be installed. This at a time when Washington is attempting to renege on its commitment to facilitate full civil nuclear cooperation with India by getting the Nuclear Suppliers Group to introduce an NPT-only rule for the sale of enrichment and reprocessing items.

Much has been said about how the U.S. insists on EUM arrangements with all its defence customers and that India cannot expect to be given a waiver from a requirement that is embedded in American law. Chapter 4.5.7 of the Pentagon's Security Assistance Management Manual (SAMM) spells out the EUM condition for foreign military sales: "Sales and assistance may be made to countries only for purposes of internal security, legitimate self-defense, for preventing or hindering the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and of the means of delivering such weapons, civic action, or regional or collective arrangements consistent with the United Nations (UN) Charter, or requested by the UN… Proper use of U.S.-origin items is a joint responsibility of the recipient and U.S. personnel. U.S. representatives have primary responsibility until items are physically transferred to the recipient. The recipient then assumes this responsibility, based on agreements under which transfers are made, including transfer to a third party or other disposal or change in end-use."

As the CAG discovered during his scrutiny of the Jalashva (formerly USS Trenton) landing dock ship India bought from the U.S. a few years ago, American weapons contracts come not just with potentially intrusive inspections but also with a "legitimate self-defence" end use requirement whose interpretation is bound to be contingent on wider political equations. For example, Israel has used U.S.-supplied aircraft and munitions in nakedly aggressive acts against its neighbours countless times but Washington has never held these to be a violation of the self-defence condition. But tomorrow, if India uses an American-supplied jet for an anti-terrorist operation outside its borders that the U.S. does not approve of, the end-use language of SAMM 4.5.7 may well be invoked against New Delhi. The Trenton was sold to enable India to deploy troops for humanitarian missions in the region that the U.S. may be unable or unwilling to undertake. If India tries to use it for "offensive" purposes, however, it may well have to contend with U.S. protests.

Every country that sells arms abroad does so for commercial gain. Many countries also use arms sales as a tool of foreign policy. But only the U.S. uses these sales as a tool of military policy as well. Arms transfers help build interoperability. And they also help shape the way the receiving military operates. What is on offer, therefore, is not an off-the-shelf sale but a comprehensive package whose components are not available for cherry picking. After the EUM agreement will come the Communications and Information Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) and a Logistics Supply Agreement (LSA). It is not a coincidence that almost all of America's customers for advanced military hardware are either formal alliance partners, major non-Nato allies or client states, none of whom has a problem with providing U.S. inspectors access. Before it plunges headlong into a closer military relationship, India needs to carefully consider what this entails.

Part of the problem has to do with mistaken assumptions and flawed understandings in India of what its strategic partnership with the U.S. involves. India assumes that American interests and strategies in the region are congruent with its own. India also believes a strategic partnership means the Americans will understand and share its concerns and priorities on most big issues and, at a minimum, not act against Indian interests wherever there are divergent views. For the U.S., on the other hand, the partnership is all about shaping India's choices and priorities. It is about ensuring that India does not bandwagon with other rising powers. And acting against Indian interests (as it is now doing at the G8 and NSG) is not seen as a contradiction. That is why Indian apprehensions about President Barack Obama's commitment to the strategic ties established by George W. Bush were so misplaced. This partnership helped open the doors of nuclear commerce for India but also led to a number of Indian doors being opened for the American side. Surely it would be most un-American for the new administration to not seek entry.

If India-U.S. 2.0 was all about laying the groundwork for cooperation in a variety of fields, India-U.S. 3.0 is where Washington gets to cash in. The U.S. intends to ensure that India honours the Letter of Intent it gave last September promising to place orders for nuclear reactors capable of generating at least 10,000 MW of electricity. The American arms industry — which lobbied hard for the passage of the nuclear deal through Congress — also intends to collect. And the Pentagon, which, in many ways, spearheaded Washington's outreach to India in the 1990s and again after 9/11, would like to ramp up military-to-military cooperation using common equipment as a springboard.

In the weeks before the Hillary visit, U.S. officials not only worked out the agenda that was to be covered but also announced their intentions loud and clear. It is not a coincidence that the "five pillars" were identified not in the joint Indo-U.S. statement but in a separate "fact-sheet" issued by the U.S. embassy. Sadly, very little of this ideation and articulation took place on the Indian side. If India had a positive, proactive agenda of what it hoped to get out of the visit, this was kept a tightly guarded secret. Certainly, there was no public expression of it. When difficult issues arose in the public domain — like the attempt by the Obama administration to get the G8 to ban ENR sales to India — these were ducked and a senior Minister fielded to tell Parliament that the government was not unduly concerned.

India's engagement with the U.S. is one of the most exciting and challenging aspects of the country's foreign policy today. But unless this high-stakes game is handled properly, with planning, foresight and determination, it could well turn out to be dangerous.

http://www.hindu.com/2009/07/24/stories/2009072454970800.htm



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Chloe Smith, a fresh face but straight out of the David Cameron mould

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Chloe Smith laughs with parents David and Claire after winning the Norwich North byelection. Photograph: Luke MacGregor/Reuters David Cameron tried to butter up the Tory old guard this week by suggesting that he would give ministerial jobs to grandees ...

Hard-liners increase pressure on Iranian president

The Associated Press - Ali Akbar Dareini - ‎43 minutes ago‎
TEHRAN, Iran - Fellow Iranian hard-liners stepped up pressure on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Friday to obey the supreme leader's order to dismiss his top deputy, warning that continued defiance would undermine his legitimacy and alienate his ...

Ousted Honduras leader asks troops to let him return

CNN International - ‎12 minutes ago‎
ESTELI, Nicaragua (CNN) -- Ousted Honduran President Jose Manuel Zelaya on Friday asked police and soldiers to let him back into his country as he held a news conference in Nicaragua near the border he has vowed to cross.

Iranian airliner skids off runway killing 17

The Associated Press - Ali Akbar Dareini - ‎50 minutes ago‎
TEHRAN, Iran - An Iranian passenger plane skidded off the runway during its landing in northeast Iran and crashed, shredding the cockpit into a tangled mass of wreckage and killing 17 people, the state news agency said.

Extra troops set for Afghanistan

BBC News - ‎1 hour ago‎
An extra 125 servicemen and women are to be deployed to Afghanistan to replace troops who have died, Defence Secretary Bob Ainsworth has announced.

GOP Sen. Cornyn to vote against Sotomayor

The Associated Press - Julie Hirschfeld Davis - ‎1 hour ago‎
WASHINGTON - Republican Sen. John Cornyn, the head of his party's Senate campaign arm, said Friday he'll vote against Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, siding with GOP leaders and conservatives who are lining up against President Barack Obama's ...

Kyrgyz leader re-elected amid charges of widespread fraud

Times of India - ‎2 hours ago‎
BISHKEK: Kyrgyz President Kurmanbek Bakiyev has won a landslide second term in office, bagging nearly 90 per cent of a little over a quarter of the vote counted so far, the election commission announced.

Musharraf to defend his controversial decisions before Pak SC

Times of India - Omer Farooq Khan - ‎2 hours ago‎
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's former military ruler General Pervez Musharraf is not going to give up easily and will fight a legal battle to prove his innocence in a case related to appointment of judges of the higher judiciary after imposition of emergency on ...

Officials: 6 dead in Croatia train crash

The Associated Press - ‎1 hour ago‎
RUDINE, Croatia - A two-car train carrying about 90 passengers derailed in a remote area of southern Croatia on Friday, killing six people and injuring at least 55, officials said.

New Jersey scandal highlights cycle of ongoing corruption

guardian.co.uk - ‎2 hours ago‎
FBI agents lead arrested suspects from their headquarters as part of a corruption investigation in Newark, New Jersey. Photograph: Louis Lanzano/AP The hapless state of New Jersey was absorbing yet another blow to its reputation today following the ...

Silvio Berlusconi digs himself a bigger hole

guardian.co.uk - ‎3 hours ago‎
Silvio Berlusconi. Failure to report an archaeological find can bring 12 months in jail. Photograph: Alessandro Garofalo/Reuters The Silvio Berlusconi tapes released this week have focused, not surprisingly, on lurid discussions of threesomes, ...

Defense delivers closing argument in Suu Kyi trial

Reuters - Aung Hla - ‎6 hours ago‎
YANGON (Reuters) - A court in army-ruled Myanmar heard closing arguments for the defense on Friday in the trial on security-related charges of opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi, and the prosecution will have its say next week.

Goodwill dash gives reason to smile

Melbourne Herald Sun - ‎2 hours ago‎
ANGELINA Jolie has visited a settlement for displaced Iraqis in northwest Baghdad as a goodwill ambassador for UNHCR. The UN refugee agency says the actor met four families who could not afford medical treatment and whose children could not go to ...

Canada's Via Rail hit by strike, cancels trains

Reuters - Susan TaylorKa Yan Ng - ‎5 minutes ago‎
OTTAWA, July 24 (Reuters) - Via Rail, Canada's national passenger rail service, said on Friday it was shutting down service after mediated talks with the Teamsters union failed to resolve a contract dispute, and locomotive engineers ...
Via Rail Canada on strike The Associated Press

Shielding Taliban? Pak refuses to move troops from Indian border

Times of India - ‎19 hours ago‎
NEW DELHI: After a beguiling interval when Pakistan seemed prepared to see its internal challenges as more serious than those on its eastern border, Islamabad has flatly refused to move troops from the Indian front in what looks like a bid to protect ...

Fires engulf southern Europe as temperatures expected to rise

Telegraph.co.uk - Henry SamuelEdward Owen - ‎17 minutes ago‎
Fierce wildfires swept across Europe on Friday trapping hundreds of holidaymakers as firemen struggled to contain the flames that have killed at least seven people so far.

Russia Warns of Sanctions Against Arms Sales to Georgia

New York Times - Ellen Barry - ‎53 minutes ago‎
TBILISI, Georgia - As Georgia's president proclaimed Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr.'s visit to this country a "major diplomatic victory," a top Russian diplomat announced sanctions against foreign companies that sell weapons to ...

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Pakistan ambiguous on dossier

Hindu - Nirupama Subramanian - ‎20 hours ago‎
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan chose on Thursday to remain ambiguous about whether or not it had handed over a dossier to New Delhi detailing the evidence of an ...

Sri Lanka-Pakistan third Test drawn

Hindu - ‎6 hours ago‎
Colombo (AP): Sri Lanka and Pakistan have drawn the third and final test, giving Sri Lanka a 2-0 series victory. Sri Lanka required a world record 492 runs ...

Pakistan wants to strengthen cooperation with Thailand: FM

Xinhua - Lin Zhi - ‎5 hours ago‎
Qureshi said Pakistan wants to further strengthen bilateral cooperation with Thailand particularly in the economic field. Both sides agreed to hold Joint ...

Pakistan battles 'kill 21 militants, soldier'

AFP - ‎4 hours ago‎
PESHAWAR, Pakistan — At least 21 militants and a soldier were killed Friday during an ongoing military offensive designed to eliminate the Taliban from ...

Shielding Taliban? Pak refuses to move troops from Indian border

Times of India - ‎19 hours ago‎
NEW DELHI: After a beguiling interval when Pakistan seemed prepared to see its internal challenges as more serious than those on its eastern border, ...

Musharraf to defend his controversial decisions before Pak SC

Times of India - Omer Farooq Khan - ‎2 hours ago‎
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's former military ruler General Pervez Musharraf is not going to give up easily and will fight a legal battle to prove his innocence in ...

Taliban dismisses US claims about death of Osama's son

Hindu - ‎9 hours ago‎
Islamabad (PTI): Taliban on Friday dismissed US claims that one of the sons of al-qaeda chief Osama Bin Laden may have been killed in airstrikes in Pakistan ...

Kasab's trial to proceed despite confession

Daily Times - ‎20 hours ago‎
Evidence from the Mumbai trial could theoretically be used in Pakistan against five members of Islamist group Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LT), prosecutor Ujjwal ...

Kargil a big success: Musharraf

Economic Times - ‎8 hours ago‎
ISLAMABAD: Defending his Kargil misadventure, former Pakistan president General Pervez Musharraf has described the 1999 Kargil conflict as a "big success" ...

Pakistan stocks fall on delay in rate cut

Reuters India - ‎7 hours ago‎
The State Bank of Pakistan said on Friday it was delaying the the announcement of its monetary policy for the July-September quarter to Aug. ...


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