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Friday, March 4, 2011

Fwd: SANSKRIT NOT A PERFECT LANGUAGE AND VEDAS PLAGIARIZED WORKS



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From: Ashok T. Jaisinghani <ashokjai@sancharnet.in>
Date: Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: SANSKRIT NOT A PERFECT LANGUAGE AND VEDAS PLAGIARIZED WORKS
To: Rajesh Patil <patilrama@gmail.com>
Cc: The Himalayan Voice <himalayanvoice@gmail.com>, Mukund Apte <mdapte@gmail.com>, Palash Biswas <palashbiswaskl@gmail.com>, Dr Rajiv Arora MD - Sanatan Dharma <hindureligion@gmail.com>, Ishani Chowdhury - Hindu American Foundation <ishani@hafsite.org>, Ramesh Rao HAF <ramesh@hafsite.org>


Rajesh Patil jee,
 
    In your letter of February 27 to The Himalayan Voice, that is reproduced at the bottom of this page, you had written: "Which TWO people are referred here ? I haven't seen any two Sankrit speaking people arguing over the "Language" part. They may discuss over the "Philosophy" or "Vedas" etc but not over the correctness of language !!" 
 
    I am sending you a copy of the correspondence that took place 3 years back, which gives one more example about how even the top Hindu scholars knowing the Sanskrit language argue and disagree over the meaning of common terms like the Shiva Linga.
 
   Ashok  T. Jaisinghani.
     Editor & Publisher:
www.Wonder-Cures.com
www.Nutritionist-No-1.com
www.Top-Nut.com    Top Nutritionist
www.SindhiKalakar.com  
 
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: 05 Jan 2008 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: {UnitedHinduFront} Re: Kaaba-Shiva linga
 
Cowards Run Away from Reality
 
    Only great cowards scream violently and run away from reality when faced with harsh or embarrassing facts.
 
    If the Hindus worship Shiva as a male God, they must believe that Shiva has a PENIS. The Hindus can never consider Shiva as a eunuch. So Shiva Linga can only mean Shiva's PENIS. Why don't you refer to any high-quality Hindi or Sanskrit dictionary, written by a Hindu, to find out that Shiva Linga means Shiva's PENIS?
 
    Made from stone, marble, wood or metal, the image of Shiva Linga is shaped  somewhat like the HEAD of the PENIS.
 
    Have you heard of Naga Sadhus who participate in the Kumbh Melas as a separate group? Naga Sadhus are not Hindu Sadhus from Nagaland. They are the Sadhus who live completely naked, and they should actually be called Nangaa Sadhus. Fellows like you should come to the next Kumbha Mela, when it is held in India, to see who the Naga Sadhus really are, and also to see the Hindus who worship those naked Sadhus.
 
        Ashok  T. Jaisinghani. 
          Editor & Publisher: 
www.Top-Nut.com Top Nutritionist 
     www.Wonder-Cures.com 
     www.SindhiKalakar.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: anilbhanot
Sent: 04 Jan 2008 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: Re: {UnitedHinduFront} Re: Kaaba-Shiva linga

Ashok - you are sick.
 
Shivling is the symbolic manifestation of the male creative power in the universe as is the Yoni symbol for the female energy to bring that creation into its life mode.
 
It is not Shiva's penis - that is the Christian evil propaganda - and as for you I suggest if all you can think about is a penis in what is the most pure form of worship in the world about the essential energy in the universe then you first tell your family to make an idol of the male penis and start the worship from your home - DO NOT TALK ABOUT OTHER HINDU WOMEN IN THE GROSS MANNER YOU DID BELOW.
 
anil bhanot
general secretary
hindu council uk
 
Dr S Sharma - you should take your frustration out on people like Ashok not Dr Raj Pandit Sharma if you are serious about Hindu weaklings.
 
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: [SPAM]: Re: {UnitedHinduFront} Re: Kaaba-Shiva linga

 
Do you Worship Shiva's Penis?
 
    There are many Hindus like you who talk and write about the Shiva Linga, and the worship of Shiva Linga, without clearly describing what Shiva Linga is. Shiva Linga means Shiva's PENIS.
 
    The PENIS is the man's organ used for having SEX with a woman.
 
    How many of you can be bold enough to publicly state that you worship Shiva's PENIS? Will you openly worship Shiva's PENIS if it is actually made to look like a man's sexual organ? Will the Hindu women openly worship Shiva's PENIS if it is shaped exactly like a man's SEXUAL organ?
 
    Why do the Hindus consider the term "Shiva's Penis" as obscene and offensive, while the term "Shiva Linga" is acceptable to them? Can the Hindus tolerate a completely nude picture or statue of Shiva showing his PENIS clearly exposed, so that the people can openly worship the Shiva Linga as Shiva's sexual organ?
 
        Ashok  T. Jaisinghani. 
          Editor & Publisher: 
www.Top-Nut.com Top Nutritionist 
     www.Wonder-Cures.com 
     www.SindhiKalakar.com
 
           atsingha@vsnl.com
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: anilbhanot
Sent: 03 Jan 2008 2:12 PM
Subject: {UnitedHinduFront} Re: Kaaba-Shiva linga

No Dr S Sharma - Yours is the weakness we are living with and will continue to live with in the future until this work is done by esteemed scholars like Dr Raj Pandit Sharma and others.
 
What we need is to re-reestablish the Sanatan superiority which has been destroyed by lesser religions.
 
Only be doing so we will remind people what is right and wrong and who has created and who has destroyed. Only by reminding people we would have any hope of them discriminating between Sanatan and other religions.
 
Our intention is not bhai bhai of India, we have no problem with that though but so long as they ackowneledge the destruction of Sanatan and accept that in spite of Mohammed the culmination of their worship remains Hindu we have nothing to fear.
 
anil bhanot
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Dr S Sharma <dr_ssharma@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:33 PM
Subject: {UnitedHinduFront} Re: Kaaba-Shiva linga

This is the weakness of Hindus  and some of their leaders to believe that there is or was Shiv Linga in the Kaaba. Even if it is there what can you do about it? Our ancesters and now we cannot save our temples in India or else where.

I strongly advise all the strong minded Hindus and Hindu leaders to stop this stupid discussion and see what is happening to you , your family, around you and all over India and save yourself from further humiliation from Islam and supporters of Islam like congress, communists, opprtunists otherwise Hindus have no future.Hindus are refugee in in India what have we done . Come out of day dreaming and unite or get lost as in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

DR.S.SHARMA
 
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 ----- Original Message ----
From: Dr Raj Pandit Sharma <drrsharma@o2.co.uk>
To: Unitedhindufront@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 31 December, 2007 6:33:48 PM
Subject: {UnitedHinduFront} Kaaba-Shiva linga

 
Namaskar

I recently encountered an incident where an alleged Muslim tried to denigrate the sacred Shiva linga comparing it to a phallic symbol and asserting that Hindu women use it as a fertility symbol.

I replied in the following way and revealed to him the true nature of the most sacred shrine of Islam, the Kaaba. I have not received a response from him yet, it is hoped that he has not died from shock!

"As you are aware, that al-Quran (Koran) states that knowledge is the lost property of the believer and he should gather it wherever he can. So what I am about to relay to you is enlightening and already known to true scholars of Islam. However if you are a faithful Muslim then it will be a revelation which will change your entire outlook on the world and Islam. Feel free to forward this testimony to your fellow brethren.

A recent archaeological find in Kuwait unearthed a gold-plated statue of the Hindu deity Ganesh. A Muslim resident of Kuwait requested historical research material that can help explain the connection between Hindu civilisation and Arabia. Glancing through some research material recently, I was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a King Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.

The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a
gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as 'Sayar-ul-Okul' treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in simple English the inscription says:

"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram's reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. Nevertheless, at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. As the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf us Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in darkness as intense as on a new moon night. However, the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at King Vikramaditya's behest."

If you would like to read the Arabic wording, I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script:

"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa-rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum".

A careful analysis of the above inscription enables us to draw the following conclusions:

1. That the ancient Indian empires may have extended up to the eastern boundaries of Arabia until Vikramaditya and that it was he who for the first time conquered Arabia. Because the inscription says that king Vikram who dispelled the darkness of ignorance from Arabia.

2. That, whatever their earlier faith, King Vikrama's preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic (based on the Vedas, the Hindu sacred scriptures)) way of life in Arabia.

3. That Indians to the Arabs imparted the knowledge of Indian arts and sciences directly by founding schools, academies and cultural centres. The belief, therefore, that visiting Arabs conveyed that knowledge to their own lands through their own indefatigable efforts and scholarship is unfounded.

Having seen the far reaching and history shaking implications of the Arabic inscription concerning king Vikrama, we shall now piece together the story of its find. How it came to be recorded and hung in the Kaaba in Mecca. What are the other proofs  reinforcing the belief that Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life and that tranquillity and education were ushered into Arabia by king Vikramaditya's scholars, educationists from an uneasy period of "ignorance and turmoil" mentioned in the inscription.

In Istanbul, Turkey, there is a famous library called Makhatab-e-Sultania, which is reputed to have the largest collection of ancient West Asian literature. In the Arabic, section of that library is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. That anthology was compiled from an earlier work in A.D. 1742 under the orders of the Turkish ruler Sultan Salim.

The pages of that volume are of Hareer – a kind of silk used for writing on. Each page has a decorative gilded border. That anthology is known as Sayar-ul-Okul. It is divided into three parts. The first part contains biographic details and the poetic compositions of pre-Islamic Arabian poets. The second part embodies accounts and verses of poets of the period beginning just after Prophet Mohammad's times, up to the end of the Banee-Um-Mayya dynasty. The third part deals with later poets up to the end of Khalif Harun-al-Rashid's times.

Abu Amir Asamai, an Arabian bard who was the poet Laureate of  Harun-al-Rashid's court, has compiled and edited the anthology.

The first modern edition of 'Sayar-ul-Okul' was printed and published in Berlin in 1864. A subsequent edition is the one published in Beirut in 1932.

The collection is regarded as the most important and authoritative anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It throws considerable light on the social life, customs, manners and entertainment modes of ancient Arabia. The book also contains an elaborate description of the ancient shrine of Mecca, the town and the annual fair known as OKAJ, which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in Mecca. This should convince readers that the annual HAJ of the Muslims to the Kaaba is of earlier pre-Islamic congregation.

However, the OKAJ fair was far from a carnival. It provided a forum for the elite and the learned to discuss the social, religious, political, literary and other aspects of the Vedic culture then pervading Arabia. 'Sayar-ul-Okul' asserts that the conclusion reached at those discussions was widely respected throughout Arabia. Mecca, therefore, followed the Varanasi tradition (of India) of providing a venue for important discussions among the learned while the masses congregated there for spiritual bliss. The principal shrines at both Varanasi in India and at Mecca in Arvasthan (Arabia) were Shiva temples. Even to this day ancient Mahadev (Shiva) emblems can be seen. It is the Shankara (Shiva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently touch and kiss in the Kaaba - black stone (al-Hajar-ul-Aswad).

Arabic tradition has lost trace of the founding of the Kaaba temple. The discovery of the Vikramaditya inscription affords a clue. King Vikramaditya is known for his great devotion to Lord Mahadev (Shiva). At Ujjain (India), the capital of Vikramaditya, exists the famous shrine of Mahakal, i.e., of Lord Shankara (Shiva) associated with Vikramaditya.
 
Since according to the Vikramaditya inscription he spread the Vedic religion, who else but he could have founded the Kaaba temple in Mecca?

A few miles away from Mecca is a big signboard that bars the entry of any non-Muslim into the area. This is a reminder of the days when the Kaaba was stormed and captured solely for the newly established faith of Islam. The object in barring entry of non-Muslims was obviously to prevent its recapture.

As the pilgrim proceeds towards Mecca, he is asked to shave his head and beard and to don special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn round the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering Hindu temples clean - and with holy seamless white sheets.

The main shrine in Mecca, which houses the Shiva emblem, the black stone (al-Hajar-ul-Aswad) and the entire cuboidal ...

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rajesh Patil
Date: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: SANSKRIT NOT A PERFECT LANGUAGE AND VEDAS PLAGIARIZED WORKS
To: The Himalayan Voice <himalayanvoice@gmail.com>

This is totally Absurd !!! 

Which TWO people are referred here ? I haven't seen any two Sankrit speaking people arguing over the "Language" part. They may discuss over the "Philosophy" or "Vedas" etc but not over the correctness of language !! 

The motive of author seems to be to divide Hindu society and act as an agent to benefit non-Hindus who are eying on "direct opportunity" !!!

Why should The Himalayan Voice publish such articles ?


Rajesh Patil
 



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